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OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

Find a pattern, I can't

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

The function f has the property f(x)=f(x+1) for all numbers x. If f(4)=17, what is f(8)?

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

So I guess if f(3), then it really equals 4, for example.

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

plug x=4 in the given equation ! and tell me what do you get from there ?

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

So it is f(4+1) = 5

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

nope,it would be like this \[\large \bf f(4)=f(5)=17\]

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

right?

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

I'm trying to follow you. Thanks

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

@mayankdevnani

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

sorry! was helping another user

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

okay! similarly,find f(6)

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

Um. So would it be f(7)=18?

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

I'm not trying to be rude, or just ask for the answer, but I'm clueless. Could you just write it out? I'm going nowhere.

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

for finding f(6),just plug x=6 in given equation,we get \[\large \bf f(6)=f(7)=17\]

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

similarly, find f(7) and finally f(8) so you'll notice that we would get f(8)=17

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

That is weird. Ok. I do not see the use in that at all but ok.

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

so basically it says f(anything)=17

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

yep!

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

Hum. Thanks so much!

OpenStudy (mayankdevnani):

np !

myininaya (myininaya):

@AmTran_Bus if you still need a little more convincing... \[f(4)=17 \\ f(n)=f(n+1) \\ \] this above stuff is the given I'm going to write k equations next: \[f(4)=f(5) \\ f(5)=f(6) \\ f(6)=f(7) \\ f(7)=f(8) \\ f(8)=f(9) \\ \cdots \\ f(k-1)=f(k) \\ f(k)=f(k+1)\] now if a=b and c=d then a+c=b+d so I'm going to put my k equations together... \[f(4)+f(5) +f(6)+f(7) +f(8)+ \cdots +f(k-1)+f(k) \\ =f(5)+f(6)+f(7)+f(8)+f(9)+\cdots +f(k)+f(k+1)\] now if I try to put everything on one side you should see a lot of cancellation \[f(4)-f(k+1)=0 \\ \text{ so } f(k+1)=f(4) \\ \text{ but } f(4)=17 \\ \text{ so } f(k+1)=17 \\ \text{ so } f \text{ is a constant function for } \\ \text{ any integer } k \\ \text{ I could say } f(x)=17 \text{ for any } x \text{ that is an integer }\]

myininaya (myininaya):

now in my opinion not all of this work is needed i just wrote all of this if you by chance would find it helpful

myininaya (myininaya):

another way to think about it \[\frac{f(n+1)-f(n)}{n+1-n}=0 \text{ means the slope of } f \text{ is } zero \\ \\ \text{ which means } f \text{ is a constant function }\]

myininaya (myininaya):

that equation I wrote is still your equation

myininaya (myininaya):

\[\frac{f(n+1)-f(n)}{n+1-n}=0 \\ \frac{f(n+1)-f(n)}{1}=0 \\ f(n+1)-f(n)=0 \\ f(n+1)=f(n)\]

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

I think it would be helpful if you understood function notation better. \(f(n) \) means the value of the function evaluated at \(x = n\). In other words, the y-coordinate of the point where \(x = n.\) You are told that \(f(n) = f(n + 1).\) That means that the y-coordinate of the point where \(x = n\) is the same as the y-coordinate of the point where \(x = n + 1\). Let's let x = 4. Then f(4) = f(4 + 1) = f(5) This means that the y-coordinates of the3 points that have x = 4 and x = 5 are the same. If you let x = 5, then f(5) = f(5 + 1) = f(6) Once again, the y-coordinates of the points that have x = 5 and x = 6 are the same. You are told that f(4) = 17. By letting x = 4, you see that f(5) = 17 By letting x = 5, you see that f(6) = 17 You keep on going until you do f(8), and you will see that y = f(8) = 17.

myininaya (myininaya):

you are probably right @mathstudent55 I see there might be interpretation problems given amtran has written "So it is f(4+1) = 5"

myininaya (myininaya):

by the way instead of adding those k equations I wrote you could use the property of transitivity that is if a=b and b=c then a=c so for example we had f(4)=f(5) and f(5)=f(6) so f(4)=f(6) and by the substitution property of equality if f(4)=17 then f(5)=17 and f(6)=17 and so on....

myininaya (myininaya):

basically f(n)=f(n+1) means term equals next term

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

I agree with @mathstudent55 But I think there's a shorter way to explain this f(x) = f(x+1) essentially tells you one y-value is equal to the next y-value The only way for that to be true... is if they're all equal to the same y-value.

imqwerty (imqwerty):

U can also think of it like this- Consider y=f(x) Then the slope of this function between any two points f(x) and f(x+1) will be- [f(x+1)-f(x)]/[(x+1)-x] =0/1=0 Since the slope is 0 you can say that f(x) is not varying with x so the value of f(x) remains constant

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

^ that works too.

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