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OpenStudy (lacris):

(x^2+4x/x^2+4)([x+2]^2/x^2) How do I simplify this? Please help and give detailed instructions, I will give you a shiny medal :D

OpenStudy (lacris):

\[\frac{ (x^2+4x)}{ x^2+4 }\times \frac{ (x+2)^2}{ x^2 }\]

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

so, let's start with the easy part.

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

do \(x^2~and~4x\) share anything in common?

OpenStudy (lacris):

no, they aren't the same :D because x^2 is grouped with itself, so we leave 4x alone right?

OpenStudy (lacris):

or do I expand it out?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

well, they both have an x right?

OpenStudy (lacris):

yes they do, so is it x(x+4)?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

very nice

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

so, that means we can cancel out an x like so:

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

\[\frac{x^2+4x}{x^2+4}\times \frac{(x+2)^2}{x^2}=\frac{\not{x}(x+4)}{x^2+4}\times \frac{(x+2)^2}{x^{\not{2}}}\]

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

now, lets expand that x+2 squared

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

can you do that?

OpenStudy (lacris):

so I end up with: \[\frac{ x(x+4) }{ x(x)+4 }\] so x gets cancelled out? and it becomes just 4/4 = 1 and \[\frac{ (x+2)^2 }{ x^2 } becomes \frac{ (x+2) (x+2) }{ x(x) }\]

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

uhm, not quite

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

very nice try though

OpenStudy (lacris):

oh :( I'm sorry, what did I do wrong?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

its hard to explain

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

but, you cannot pull the x out of only one term although you wrote it correctly

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

your expansion of the (x+2)(x+2) was just what we need though

OpenStudy (lacris):

oh, so I leave the x(x+4) and x^2+4 alone for now then?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

exactly so we are here: \[\frac{x^2+4x}{x^2+4}\times \frac{(x+2)^2}{x^2}=\frac{\not{x}(x+4)}{x^2+4}\times \frac{(x+2)^2}{x^{\not{2}}}\\ =\frac{x+4}{x^2+4}\times \frac{(x+2)(x+2)}{x}\]

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

What we want to do now is factor the \(x^2+4\)

OpenStudy (lacris):

so is it: x(x) + 4?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

ok, so technically that is a correct statement, but not what we are looking for. Have you ever heard of a conjugate?

OpenStudy (lacris):

no not really, :( I heard it but my teacher didn't really explain it in depth..

OpenStudy (lacris):

does it become negative then?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

it's ok, I just noticed it was a plus not a minus. let me think for a moment. If you want to know what it is in the mean time heres a reference.(i was trying to use tricks instead of synthetic division) http://www.purplemath.com/modules/radicals4.htm

OpenStudy (lacris):

ahh oki, thanks for the link, I'll read it :D

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

This is simply a multiplication of fractions. Factor each numerator and denominator. Multiply the numerators together and multiply the denominators together. There is only very little reducing you can do.

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

So, I'm thinking ethos point we do all of the multiplication then use synthetic division to get it as simple as possible

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

\(\dfrac{ x^2+4x}{ x^2+4 }\times \dfrac{ (x+2)^2}{ x^2 }=\) \(=\dfrac{ x(x+4)}{ x^2+4 }\times \dfrac{ (x+2)^2}{ x^2 }\) \(=\dfrac{ x(x+4) (x+2)^2}{x^2 (x^2+4) }\) \(=\dfrac{ (x+4) (x+2)^2}{x (x^2+4) }\)

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

*at this point*

OpenStudy (lacris):

so the outside x on the 4 got removed? and cancelled out the x2(x2+4)

OpenStudy (lacris):

I mean x^2(x^2+4)

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

Explanation for above: Line 1. The given problem. Line 2. Factor the left numerator. Line 3. Multiply the numerators together and multiply the denominators together. Line 4. Reduce. \(\dfrac{x^2}{x} = \dfrac{x}{1} \)

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

yea, just the x and x^2 canceled at the current step

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

so, anyways when we reduce this the rest of the way, we will need synthetic division. I performed the multiplication math student and I had set up.

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

\[\frac{x^3+8x^2+20x+16}{x^3+4x}\]

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

If you have not learned synthetic division, I would accept this as the most simplified version for my classes; however, if you have covered synthetic division we can continue

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

I'd also accept if the top had not been multiple out too

OpenStudy (lacris):

so you got that by doing (x+2)(x+2) = x^2+4x^2+4x+4x^2+16x+16

OpenStudy (lacris):

how did it become x^3?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

(x+4)(x+2)(x+2)

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

there are 3 terms

OpenStudy (lacris):

so it was x(x^2+4) so x(x^2) = x^3 and 4(x) = 4x ? :) :o

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

very good, that is exactly how i git the denominator

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

got*

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

so now, have you covered synthetic division?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

If you need to see it to know, here's a reference http://www.purplemath.com/modules/synthdiv.htm

OpenStudy (lacris):

\[\frac{x^3+8x^2+20x+16x^3+4x }{ 1 } \div \frac{ x^3+4x}{ 1 }\]

OpenStudy (lacris):

oh oops

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

so, that is the same as a single fraction.

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

where are you trying to head with that?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

i think the fraction is probably all they are looking for at this point

OpenStudy (lacris):

flip over the 4x^3 and get the denominator the same and multiply across but I should try the synthetic division

OpenStudy (lacris):

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OpenStudy (lacris):

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OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

actually, polynomial will be faster

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

use the first method

OpenStudy (lacris):

oh ok, so (x^3 +4x) (?) = (x^3+8x?) is that the first step?

OpenStudy (lacris):

I multiplied by 2 first so I could get x^3+8x - 2x^3+8x

OpenStudy (robtobey2):

Mathematica's "Apart" function yields the following:\[\frac{4 (x+4)}{x^2+4}+\frac{4}{x}+1 \]

OpenStudy (lacris):

oh, so is that the answer?

OpenStudy (robtobey2):

The answer is yes if it looks more simple then the original.

OpenStudy (lacris):

thats not an answer choice though :<

OpenStudy (lacris):

so i multiplied it by 1 so x^3+4x would be:|dw:1468183508443:dw|

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