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OpenStudy (bgrg007):

what is the derivative of x/y with respect to x?

OpenStudy (dramaqueen1201):

1/y, if i'm not wrong

OpenStudy (bgrg007):

if it was with respect to y, would it be 1/yprime?

OpenStudy (dramaqueen1201):

no, then it would be x

OpenStudy (bgrg007):

are you sure? i'm going by this example from class, where prof said derivative of \[x^2 + y^2\] was 2x + y'

OpenStudy (bgrg007):

sorry, i meant 2x + 2yy'*

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

He is differentitating the expression implicitly with respect to x.

OpenStudy (bgrg007):

going by that example, i actually need a y' in my original question(i think its respect to y instead of x).

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

y is a function of x. The derivative of y with respect to x is dy/dx, also written as y'.

OpenStudy (dramaqueen1201):

yeah, there implicit and explicit differentiation and if your prof is differentiating implicitly it's right. i was thinking of explicit diff.

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

When you take a derivative this way, you still have to use the power rule, product rule, etc. and the chain rule.

OpenStudy (bgrg007):

yea, in the class example, it was easier to differentiate since they were on different terms. in this one, x and y are in the same one term. i'm not sure how do i approach? i haven't done this in a while.

OpenStudy (bgrg007):

@mathstudent55 so i use a quotient rule here where i treat both variables as non-constants?

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

You have two terms. x^2 and y^2

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

The derivative of x with respect to x is 1. The derivative of x^2 using the power rule is simply 2x. You do apply the chain rule, but since the derivative of x with respect to x is 1, the derivative of x^2 = 2x * 1 = 2x

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

Now let's deal with the other term, y^2. The derivative of y with respect to x is y'. When you differentiate y^2, youi apply the power rukle firstr followed by the chain rukle. \(\dfrac{d}{dx} y^2 = 2y \times \dfrac{d}{dx}y = 2yy'\)

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

The power rule: Function u is a function of x, then \(\dfrac{d}{dx} u^n = n u^{n -1 }\dfrac{d}{dx} u\)

OpenStudy (phi):

you could use the quotient rule or write it as \[ x \ y^{-1} \] and use the product rule \[ \frac{d}{dx} x \ y^{-1} = x \frac{d}{dx} y^{-1} +y^{-1} \frac{d}{dx} x \] you get \[ x \cdot -y^{-2} \frac{dy}{dx} + y^{-1} \frac{dx}{dx} \\ = -x\frac{y'}{y^2} + \frac{1}{y} \]

OpenStudy (bgrg007):

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