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OpenStudy (abbles):

Trig identity problem

OpenStudy (abbles):

Another one... I tried it, but :/

OpenStudy (abbles):

I simplified it to sin(4x)/(1 + cos4x) but I'm not sure if that's right... it might not be

OpenStudy (abbles):

@jim_thompson5910 up for another one?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok still thinking, but I might have something

OpenStudy (abbles):

okay, thanks

OpenStudy (abbles):

Does (1 - cos4x)/(1 + cos4x) look familiar?

OpenStudy (lord_box):

That's what I ended up with.

OpenStudy (abbles):

Cool! Do you know where to go from there?

OpenStudy (lord_box):

Nope. Sorry.

OpenStudy (abbles):

Hah xD well, thanks for confirming my work anyway.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

use the identity found on page 2 in the upper right hand corner ("Half Angle Formulas" section) http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/pdf/Trig_Cheat_Sheet.pdf the identity \[\Large \tan^2(\theta) = \frac{1-\cos(2\theta)}{1+\cos(2\theta)}\] In this case, \[\Large \theta = 2x\]

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Hmm how bout using conjugates? Multiply top and bottom by the conjugate of your denominator, it should turn your denominator into 1, and then FOIL out the numerator.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

This requires you to remember your third Pythagorean Identity though,\[\large\rm 1+\cot^2x=\csc^2x\]So if you feel more comfortable with sines and cosines then the other route is fine as well.

OpenStudy (abbles):

Omg you guys are lifesavers. Wish there were more of you around when the titanic sank. Sorry... I'm tired.

OpenStudy (abbles):

Last one, I have 0 clue ..

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

`Wish there were more of you around when the titanic sank. ` I don't think I'd be of any help other than to calculate how big the iceberg is Anyways, the first thing I'd do is use the unit circle https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Unit_circle_angles_color.svg/2000px-Unit_circle_angles_color.svg.png to determine the solutions to \[\Large \cos(\theta) = \frac{1}{2}\] those solutions are \[\Large \theta = \frac{\pi}{3} + 2\pi*n\] \[\Large \theta = \frac{5\pi}{3} + 2\pi*n\] Do you agree so far?

OpenStudy (abbles):

Yes. Would the solutions for cos(6x) = 1/2 be different or the same? And lol. Maybe you would have been about to calculate a way to fit everyone on the boats.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

That's a good point. So we have the solutions to theta. In this case, theta = 6x, so 6x = pi/3 + 2pi*n or 6x = 5pi/3 + 2pi*n

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

to fully isolate x, multiply both sides by 1/6 Equation 1: 6x = pi/3 + 2pi*n (1/6)*6x = (1/6)*[pi/3 + 2pi*n] x = pi/18 + (pi*n)/3 Equation 2: 6x = 5pi/3 + 2pi*n (1/6)*6x = (1/6)*[5pi/3 + 2pi*n] x = 5pi/18 + (pi*n)/3

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

The general solutions to cos(6x) = 1/2 are x = pi/18 + (pi*n)/3 or x = 5pi/18 + (pi*n)/3 now plug in integer values of n to determine if x is in the interval from 0 to 2pi 2pi = 6.28 approximately

zepdrix (zepdrix):

This question is kind of neat. They didn't want the actual solutions, only the number of. So I guess I was thinking of it in a different way... We can produce 2 solutions for 6x... what happens when you cut those 2 solutions each into 6 pieces? Maybe my thinking is a little off, but it should work :DDD

OpenStudy (abbles):

Are there 12 solutions?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

`Are there 12 solutions?` yes in the interval [0,2pi]

OpenStudy (abbles):

Yeah! Thank you guys so so much <3 Now I'm gonna go pass out...

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