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OpenStudy (abbles):

Derivative question

OpenStudy (legomyego180):

POWER RULE

OpenStudy (legomyego180):

its always power rule

OpenStudy (abbles):

f(x) and g(x) are inverses. \[f(x) = 4x^3 - \frac{ 7 }{ x } + 5\] Find g'(8)

OpenStudy (legomyego180):

called it

OpenStudy (abbles):

I know that g'(x) = 1/f'(g(x)) I'm not quite sure what to put in for the g(x) part.. how do I find g(8) ?

OpenStudy (abbles):

Power rule here? lego are you sure? :D

OpenStudy (legomyego180):

just plug in 8 for x in your derivative

OpenStudy (legomyego180):

oh sorry I didnt fully read the question. one sec

satellite73 (satellite73):

ahh i knew it !!

satellite73 (satellite73):

oh no i didn't you can usually find it with your eyeballs in these, not so much ere

OpenStudy (abbles):

Lol xD I did some complicated thing and my teacher said I was over complicating it... that there was a simple thing to plug in for g(8)? The bell literally rang when she was mid sentence -_-

satellite73 (satellite73):

usually they are cooked up so you can guess like x = 1 or x = 2

OpenStudy (abbles):

hmmm

OpenStudy (abbles):

No easy way to do this one then?

satellite73 (satellite73):

lol try -1

OpenStudy (abbles):

:/

satellite73 (satellite73):

it is really guess and check

satellite73 (satellite73):

you are not going to solve a cubic \[4-7+5\neq 8\] but \[-4+7+5=8\]

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

@abbles remember that since f and g are inverses, g(8) really means... f(x) = 8, you'd need to find x... \[\large 8 = 4x^3 - \frac{ 7 }{ x } + 5\]

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

If that doesn't make sense, since they're inverses... first the definition of inverses: If \(\large y = f(x) \) then \(\large f^{-1} (y) = x\) And we know g is the inverse of f, so \(\large g(8) = f^{-1} (8) \) right @abbles? So then that means, from looking at the above definition of inverses, \(\large f^{-1} (8) = x\) or \(\large 8 = f(x)\) If that all makes sense. And @satellite73 already showed that x=-1.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

\[\large\rm 8=4x^3-\frac7x+5\]Multiply through by x,\[\large\rm 8x=4x^4-7+5x\]Subtract 8x to the other side,\[\large\rm 0=4x^4-3x-7\]Maybe factor out a 4,\[\large\rm 0=x^4-\frac34x-\frac74\] Apply rational root theorem: If a rational root exists, it must be a factor of our constant term -7/4. So there are only a handful of numbers you need to check: -1,1 -7,7 -1/4, 1/4 -1/2, 1/2 -7/2, 7/2 I know, it's still a lot :P But turns out x=-1 works out as was already mentioned! :D So you discovered that \(\large\rm f^{-1}(8)=g(8)=-1\). Use your formula for inverse derivative that you mentioned before,\[\large\rm (f^{-1})'(x)=\frac{1}{f'(f^{-1}(x))}\]Evaluated at 8,\[\large\rm (f^{-1})'(8)=\frac{1}{f'(\color{orangered}{f^{-1}(8)})}\]So,\[\large\rm (f^{-1})'(8)=\frac{1}{f'(\color{orangered}{-1})}\] Oh I guess you were just having trouble with the first part :P finding the root value. I see.

OpenStudy (abbles):

Thanks everyone who answered! So are most questions like these guess and check?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

You can always use a calculator to solve \(\large 8 = 4x^3 - \frac{ 7 }{ x } + 5\) Subtract 8 from both sides, then graph the equation and solve where it's equal to zero.

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