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OpenStudy (zyberg):

Find all pairs of real numbers (x; y), that are solutions of equality: 5x^2 + 5y^2 + 8xy + 2y - 2x + 2 = 0

OpenStudy (zyberg):

@ganeshie8 @welshfella @Kainui

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

Partially differentiate thr function with respect to x and y separately. Then u will get two linear equation in terms of x and y.

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

Solve those two equation

OpenStudy (zyberg):

@jiteshmeghwai9 I would be glad to do what you said, however, the question is supposed to be solvable by 10th graders, not university students (or where would I learn about that?), so I think that there should be another way to solve this.

OpenStudy (zyberg):

I think that it should be possible to make whole LHS into a multiplication thing and then use the x1 = 0 or x2 = 0. However, I am unable to notice how to construct (x1)(x2) = 0 in this case...

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

5x^2+5y^2+8xy+2y-2x+2=0 This may represent two straight line equation (Ax+by+c)(lx+my+n)=0 Comparing we get Al=5 bm=5 Am+bl=8 An=-2 bn=2 Cn=2

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

From this information u may find two linear equation and solve them

OpenStudy (zyberg):

@jiteshmeghwal9 thank you very much! Now I am trying to solve for all the letters. Seems to be easier said than done :)

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

Yw

OpenStudy (kevin):

The result will be all integers number

OpenStudy (zyberg):

@Kevin thank you for the hint! :)

OpenStudy (zyberg):

@jiteshmeghwal9, I think that you had made a mistake with those letters. Expanding (Ax+by+c)(lx+my+n)=0 we get: Alx^2 + Amxy + Anx + blxy + bmy^2 + bny + clx + cmy + cn, so it boils down to a different system of equations: Al = 5 bm = 5 Am + bl = 8 An + cl = -2 bn + cm = 2 cn = 2 It seems that your system of equations has no solutions, so I think that mine is the right one(?)

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

Ooh yup sorry for the inconvenience

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

Ur system is 100%correct

OpenStudy (zyberg):

I wonder how to solve it tho. Have been meddling with it for quite a long while with no results.

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

There is a reason behind it. For an equation of second degree ax^2+2hxy+by^2+2gx+2fy+c=0 to represent a pair of linear equation it should satisfy the condition h^2-ab greater than equal to zero.

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

This equation ain't satisfying this condition

OpenStudy (zyberg):

Does that mean that the equation has no solutions? @jiteshmeghwal9

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

Yeah

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

More clearly this equation has no real solution

OpenStudy (zyberg):

What is the name of h^2 - ab identity? Thank you for your help again, @jiteshmeghwal9 ! :)

OpenStudy (zyberg):

And one extra question: the solutions to this equality would have to involve imaginary numbers, yes?

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

It is not an identity it is just a condition for an equation of second degree to represent real lines

OpenStudy (jiteshmeghwal9):

And the solution involve imaginary number. Probably, not so sure about it.

OpenStudy (zyberg):

@jiteshmeghwal9 it is solvable. I had written a post in MSE and they had solved it: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1930068/quadratic-with-two-unknowns#1930070

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