Ask your own question, for FREE!
Mathematics 14 Online
OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

Please help me somebody! Thank you! :)

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

http://prntscr.com/coei8r

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

compressed, because the bigger the number (a), in a(x^2), the narrower the graph gets

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Hello, Mark! Looks like you h ave a significant graphing exercise ahead of you. If you're learning this material for the first time, graphing every function, comparing it to the parent function and describing the differences is the way to go.

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

try it on a calculator

OpenStudy (jackthegreatest):

use a TI or something, and compare the graphs

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

alright, ill use desmos online.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

Mathmale I learned this stuff before, but the thing is I didn't really care for it back then so now I am trying very hard to understand these things. :)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

That's another way to go. It just occurred to me that if you were to graph 2 functions on a TI calculator simultaneously, the comparison would be simpler.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

ah I see.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

I'm not very familiar with Desmos. It'd be neat were you able to graph 2 different functions on the same set of axes.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

http://prntscr.com/coek8n

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

keep in mind that you can plug in numbers as well and try to mentally visualize what's going on - I like graphing applications, but oftentimes on math tests you're not allowed usage of powerful calculators or even regular ones

OpenStudy (mathmale):

I agree that graphing skills (the manual kind) are of great importance despite the ready availability of technology. But I don't have any problem with using tech here to compare the graphs of several different versions of y=x^2. You, Mark, decide which path you want to take and what kind of help you need and want.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

Ok so I think its a veritcal compression, but im not sure by what number. :(

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

@mathmale

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

ahh never mind I think I got it. Is it a vertical compression of 1/b?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Mark: You have several versions of two different functions here. Be sure to mention which one you're focusing on. Parent function y=x^2 has a graph which is a parabola that opens upward. 1st modification is y=(2x)^2 , or y=4x^2. How is the graph of this modification different from that of the original function? 2nd mod is y=(3x)^2 .... 3rd mod is y=(4x)^2. You need to determine how the graph changes as you move from one of these to the next one.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

No vertical compression here (at least not in the case where the parent function is y=x^2). Are you willing to graph these functions or are you going to try to swing it without doing any graphing?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

The general form of this function would be y= (cx)^2. Can you finish this sentence? "When c is a positive number greater than 1, the graph of y=(cx)^2 differs from that of the graph of y=x^2 in that .... ???? "

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

http://prntscr.com/coeosf

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Glad you are making progress. But I see you're not (yet) answering any of my comments or questions.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

lol yea shas I will get back to you im sorry I just noticed the questions. Didn't mean to be rude. :(

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

the thing is this assignment expires or times out after a while and I have to redo it all over again. :(

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Guess it's a matter of 1) finishing the assignment in a hurry but not learning much from the experience, or (2) learning from the experience even if it takes longer. Your choice.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

Yes, I understand your concern. The thing is I am saving my questions up. I will be back to understand it better. But for now I have to finish. :)

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

on my last one.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

In general, if you have a function of the form y=f(x), (1) multiplying x by a positive number will cause HORIZ COMPRESSion of the graph. (2) mult x by a fraction between (0 and 1 ) will cause HORIZ EXPANSION. You could verify these rules for your self if you wish by doing experiments.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

ok im back. :)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Well, then, what kind of help do you want with the last one, other than the answer itself? ;)

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

I knew about the compression part, but I wanted to know the number itself being compressed. If you may help me understand that part.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Note that the last sentence of your homework assignment here says the same thing as I shared with you 2 minutes ago. My comment was general: "horiz. compression." You apparently want something more specific, e. g., "horiz compress. by a factor of so and so." Let's learn by example. Suppose b is 2. The original graph will be horiz. compr. by a factor of what?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

1/2

OpenStudy (mathmale):

To test your knowledge: The period of the sine function (of the form y=sin x) is 2pi. What is the period of the sine function y=sin 3x? What is b?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Yes, 1/2 was correct, for your previous problem.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

Yes! :)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

:)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

The period of y=sin 3x is .... ?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

1/3x?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Note that the graph of y=sin 3x is horiz. compressed when compared to the graph of y=sin x. Explain. Why have you included x in your most recent result?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

To test your knowledge: The period of the sine function (of the form y=sin x) is 2pi. What is the period of the sine function y=sin 3x? What is b?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

Idk I just did an educated guess lol.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

aha so 2pi*3

OpenStudy (mathmale):

You tell me: if we start with y=f(x) and replace x with cx, and c is a positive constant greater than 1, how is the graph of y=f(cx) different from that of y=f(x)?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Right. The period of y=sin x is 2pi, and so the period of y=sin 3x is 2pi/b, or 2pi/3. Bingo.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

What is the period of y=sin (1/4)x?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

4?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

not correct im guessing. :(

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Here b=(1/4). how did you obtain 2pi/3 earlier? Use the same approach. Don't guess.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Review our discussion all you want, but please don't guess.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

ok ill try my best.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Believe me, you'll need to know this stuff where it pertains to trig functions!

OpenStudy (mathmale):

If b is the coefficient of x in y=sin bx, then the period of y=sin bx is 2pi/b. You MUST know this fact. So, what is the period of y=sin (1/4)x?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

I was given that, "The period of the sine function (of the form y=sin x) is 2pi." and I knew that since y=sin x is 2pi all I do is insert the 3 with the 2pi.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

what do you mean by "insert the 3?" mystery meat. ;)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

We all have a lot of holes in our bodies and have to be clear in specifying which one we mean for which purpose.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

lol so the equation you gave previously was y=sin 3x, and I knew since y=sinx is 2pi I just do 3*2pi

OpenStudy (mathmale):

So, Mark, what are you going to be doing with that 3?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

oh divide

OpenStudy (mathmale):

does your response match up with 2pi/b?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Let me put you on the spot. What's the formula 2p/b for? and where does 'b' come from?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

sh im not so sure lol.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

*ah

OpenStudy (mathmale):

I gave you y=sin bx. b is the coefficient of the variable x. The period of the sine function is 2pi. That's for y=sin 1x. b=1 here. The period of the sine function y=sin bx is 2pi/b. Steal "b" from the function and divide that "b" into 2pi to obtain the period of y=sin bx

OpenStudy (mathmale):

What is the period of y=3 sin (1/7)(x) ?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Hint: b is (1/7) here.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

ah im confused, may you type it up please I just have trouble understanding. :( Sorry for giving such a hard time.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Review: the period of y = sin bx is 2pi/b. if b=(1/7), then the period of sin (1/7)(x) is \[\frac{ 2 \pi }{ \frac{ 1 }{ 7 } }=?\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

What's the rule for dividing something by a fraction?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

is it 44.2?

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

I gotta divide fraction inside of fraction first.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

I'd prefer you stick with symbols: (7/1)(2 pi) = 14 pi. Yes, 14 pi is approx. 44.2

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Actually you gotta invert the fraction in the denominator and then mult.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

oooh

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

so 2(7)=14(3.14)=43.96

OpenStudy (mathmale):

So, the answer is merely 14 pi. Back to the original question. If y = f(x), then its graph is HORIZ. COMPRESSED to represent the graph of y=f(cx), where c is a positive number greater than 1.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

1/c

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Given y=f(x), the graph of y=f(4x) is horiz. compressed by a factor of 1/4 as compared to the graph of y=f(x).

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Right you are.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

haha finally!

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Gotta get off the 'net (unless you have just one more question that is short).

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

no I have no more questions for now. I used notes to take the question. I use to cheat off the internet and thats why I don't understand much. I passed my other classes with cheating, but it brought me to this.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

So I am just trying to understand much of what I did not learn before. :)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Raise me tomorrow if you have any pressing questions. Learning takes time, but it's generally very well worth that time.

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

Yea! You are right it takes time, and it is worth it because then you understand the concept without trying to cheat. I really appreciate your help! I sure will ask you if I have more questions. You are a very good helper. :)

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

Spasibo balshoye! :)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

MANY THANKS, MARK SPASIBO!

OpenStudy (markchernioglo):

LOL! Alright ttyl brotha! :)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

:)

Can't find your answer? Make a FREE account and ask your own questions, OR help others and earn volunteer hours!

Join our real-time social learning platform and learn together with your friends!
Can't find your answer? Make a FREE account and ask your own questions, OR help others and earn volunteer hours!

Join our real-time social learning platform and learn together with your friends!