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OpenStudy (marcelie):

help pleaseee... how do i know its alternating series ? number 11

OpenStudy (marcelie):

satellite73 (satellite73):

if you see \((-1)^n\) it is for sure

satellite73 (satellite73):

or \((-1)^{n+1}\) in your case

OpenStudy (marcelie):

okay so i plugged in numbers and im aussuming its decreasing

satellite73 (satellite73):

of course it is decreasing you have a rational function where the degree of the numerator is smaller than the degree of the denominator

satellite73 (satellite73):

in some pre-calc class you might remember that such a function has a horizontal asymptote at \(y=0\) which is another way of saying the numbers get closer to zero

OpenStudy (marcelie):

oh riight i remember

OpenStudy (marcelie):

okay so how would i solve this problem because i know it starts like this 1. )bn \[\frac{ n^2 }{ n^3+4} >0\]

satellite73 (satellite73):

we know it alternates right?

satellite73 (satellite73):

so all you need for convergence is that the terms go to zero

OpenStudy (marcelie):

hmm okay but does this require derivatives ?

satellite73 (satellite73):

you could do that if you like you could take the derivative say "hmmm it is always negative, so the function is decreasing and therefore the terms of the series are decreasing as well"

satellite73 (satellite73):

you could do a harder method, say show that \(|a_{n+1}|<|a_n|\) but that is a bunch of work

satellite73 (satellite73):

actually now that i look closer, you have to be a bit careful did you take the derivative of \(\frac{x^2}{x^3+4}\)?

OpenStudy (marcelie):

oh gawd lool is there an easier way do this D:

satellite73 (satellite73):

yeah the derivative is the easy way, then i will tell you an even easier way, but your math teacher may not accept it

OpenStudy (marcelie):

hmm not yet but i get confuse with these things,,, is this step necessarily ? b n+1 this is where we plugin n+1 into the original equation ?

satellite73 (satellite73):

yes

satellite73 (satellite73):

oh i mean "yes, that is \(b_{n+1}\) "but yo don't necessarily need it

satellite73 (satellite73):

just take the derivative, what do you get?

satellite73 (satellite73):

if you are stuck let me know

OpenStudy (marcelie):

okay so we would use qoutient rule \[\frac{ (n^2)'(n^3+4)- (n^2)(n^3+4)' }{ (n^3+4)^2 }\]

satellite73 (satellite73):

jeez yes but it is not so bad as you wrote it

satellite73 (satellite73):

and although it doesn't matter, it should be \(x\) not \(n\) \(n) are integers 1

satellite73 (satellite73):

\[\frac{2x(x^3+4)-3x^2(x^2)}{(x^2+4)^2}\]

OpenStudy (marcelie):

\[\frac{ (2n)(n^3+4)-(n^2)(3n^2)}{ (n^6+8n^3+16) } = \frac{ 2n^4+8n-3n^4 }{ n^6+8n^3+16}\]

satellite73 (satellite73):

don't bother with multiplying the denominator

satellite73 (satellite73):

ok typo there

satellite73 (satellite73):

\[\frac{-x^4+8x}{(x^3+4)^2}\]

satellite73 (satellite73):

got that ?

OpenStudy (marcelie):

oh riight so in the qoutient rule we multiply the bottom at all ?

satellite73 (satellite73):

now the denomiator is always positive, because it is a square the numerator is NOT always negative, however, it is always negative if \(x>2\) which means for \(n>2\) the sequence of terms is decreasnig

satellite73 (satellite73):

yeah you do get the denominator squared, i was just saying don't square it it doesn't help your cause easier to see that the denominator is always positive if you leave it as a square

OpenStudy (marcelie):

oh okay question how did you get x>2 and n >2 ?

satellite73 (satellite73):

so if you want to make your math teacher happy, say "consider \(f(x)=\frac{x^2}{x^2+4}\) whose derivative if \[f'(x)=-\frac{x(x^3-8)}{(x^3+4)^2}\] we see that for \(x>2\) we have \(f'(x)<0\) so for \(n>2\) the series is decreasing

satellite73 (satellite73):

how did i get \(x>2\)?

satellite73 (satellite73):

it should be clear that if \(x>2\) then \(x^3-8>0\) and also \(x(x^3-8)>0\) so \(-x(x^3-8)<0\)

satellite73 (satellite73):

this is really really too much work the terms are all positive they also go to zero because the numerator has degree less than the denominator if the terms go to zero and they are all positive, then they must decrease by sheer obviousness

OpenStudy (marcelie):

hmm i think the 2 is confusing me D:

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

If the larger series converges, then yours converges as well ... (no need for that very left side in each line)

OpenStudy (marcelie):

oh i think you got 2 by solving this right ? x^3-8 = 0 which is 2

satellite73 (satellite73):

yes

OpenStudy (marcelie):

oh okay so then

satellite73 (satellite73):

is summery, if \(x>2\) you know \(f'(x)<0\) so if \(n>2\) the sequence of absolute values decreases to zero since the series alternates that shows convergence of the series

satellite73 (satellite73):

*summary

OpenStudy (marcelie):

ohh okay now it makes sense .but every alternate series does it always converge ?

satellite73 (satellite73):

not if the terms don’t go to zero!!

satellite73 (satellite73):

\[\sum(-1)^nn\] doesn't converge

satellite73 (satellite73):

for that matter, neither does \[\sum(-1)^n\]

OpenStudy (marcelie):

ohhh but do we have to find the limit for this one?

satellite73 (satellite73):

which one?

satellite73 (satellite73):

i see one in your worksheet that does not converge do you see it?

satellite73 (satellite73):

oh perhaps you are asking if you have to actually compute the sum that is very very hard if not impossible so no

OpenStudy (marcelie):

oh the one we did right now do we have to find the limit like this |dw:1477534272953:dw|

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