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OpenStudy (itz_sid):

HELP PLEASE

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

I need help with Number 1. :/

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

@518nad @mathmate @zepdrix

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Would it be convergent, since the numbers are gradually getting closer and closer to zero?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Although, there is a up and down flux on the graph.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Are you familiar with geometric series?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Yes.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Can you write the first series in terms of the first term, and the general term an?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

uh..... \[\sum_{10}^{\infty}a_n\]

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Well, the first term is definitely 10. In a geometric series, we get the subsequent terms by multiplying by a constant, r, or the common ratio. What do we need to multiply 10 to get the next term -8? This is another way to calculate the common ratio, r.

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

-4/5?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

exactly! r=4/5 is the common ratio. In geometric series, all we need to get started is to find 1. a=first term 2. r=common ratio. to reproduce the whole series. This can be written as Sum of the series = \(\sum_1^{\infty}a_i r^i\) and a1 is usually written as a. Ok so far?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Yessir.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Now if the sum is a finite number, the series is convergent. If the sum S is \(+\infty\) or \(-\infty\), the series is divergent. So far so good?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Yessir

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Now how do we find the sum of the series? There is a magic formula which is worth knowing. Sum of series, S = a(1-r^n)/(1-r) where n is the number of terms we are summing.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Let's take an example, trying to sum 1+1/2+1/4+1/8..... Can you find a and r for this series?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

a = 1 r = 1/2

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

My professor taught me that to find the sum we use... \[Sum = \frac{ a }{ 1-r }\]

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Yes, that is correct if we sum to infinite number of terms, because r^(inf)=0, so that leaves a/(1-r). Ok, since you are familiar with that, can you find the sum for the example series to infinite number of terms?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

You have already found a and r, so you can substitute in your professor's formula.

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Sorry im confused... How does r^(inf)=0? doesnt that equal infniity?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

If r<1, say, 0.99, then r gets progressively smaller and eventually approaches as n-> infinity. So the series converges, i.e. IF r<1. If r>1, say 1.02, then r gets progressively larger and larger, and eventually approaches infinity. In this case (r>1) the series diverges. So far so good?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Your professor has probably mentioned that WHEN r<1, then sum = 1/(1-r).

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Oh okay, I get it.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

So can you find the sum when a=1, and r=1/2, please?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

And in this case r is less than 1 since r=1/2

OpenStudy (mathmate):

yes, that's correct. (so the series converges). Therefore we can find the sum.

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Yes.\[Sum = \frac{ 1 }{ 1-\frac{ 1 }{ 2 } } = 2\]

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Exactly. So let's go back to the first question, which turns out to be an infinite series (i.e. we sum to infinity). We'll first find a and r then see if you can use your professor's formula. Can you find a and r for 10, -8, 6.4, -5.12, 4.096.....

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

So then...\[a=10, r=- \frac{ 4 }{ 5 }\] \[r=-\frac{ 4 }{ 5 }\rightarrow \left| -\frac{ 4 }{ 5 } \right|\rightarrow \frac{ 4 }{ 5 } >1\] \[Sum = \frac{ 10 }{ 1+\frac{ 4 }{ 5 } } = \frac{ 10 }{ \frac{ 9 }{ 5 } } = \frac{ 50 }{ 9 }\]? D:

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Perfect! So you just answered the first question. Well done! Now can you please try the second one? It is awfully similar to the first one.

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Oh I got the second one already. 1/17 But for the third one, r = -4/3, after absolute value its 4/3. But thats > 1

OpenStudy (mathmate):

What does that tell you then?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

That its divergent?

Nnesha (nnesha):

\[\frac{ 4 }{ 5 } <1 \]* typo

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Oh oops.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Not really. There is a little trick you can do. You can adjust the first term. Thanks @Nnesha.... She told me that the common ratio should be 8/9 and not 4/3. But you still can adjust the first term so that the nth term is (8/9)

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

How did you get that? D:

Nnesha (nnesha):

what?? :o

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Actually, you can sum the series as is and get the right answer. if we write it out, it would be 1/9, 8/81, 64/729, .... Can you find the first term a and the common ratio r?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

r = 8/9

OpenStudy (mathmate):

and the first term?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

1/9

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Good. Will it converge?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

yes

OpenStudy (mathmate):

And the sum is?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

1/17. But i was talking about number 3

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

I got that a=8 and r= -4/3 for #3

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Ok, I didn't even know there is a #3. We'll get to that,but you probably have the answer. The sum 1/17 is not correct for #2, you'd have to try again!

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Hint: review your professor's formula!

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

But my homework accepted 1/17 as the answer D:

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Sorry, I didn't see the negative sign before the eight. Yes, then r=-8/9, then sum is 1/17. For #3, what do you say? a, r, convergence, sum?

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Well, a = 8 and r = -4/3 4/3 is not less than 1. So it is divergent?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

actually, r=-4/3, and |r|>1 so it is divergent. Correct.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Actually you're more accurate, |r| not less than 1 is the right criterion.

OpenStudy (itz_sid):

Thanks, I think i get it now. :)

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Perfect! You're welcome! If you have time, there are useful examples here: http://www.purplemath.com/modules/series5.htm

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