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zarkam21:

Help please

zarkam21:

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zarkam21:

@Vocaloid

zarkam21:

it would be right by the sun right

Vocaloid:

for a) yes, for b) it would be the opposite (farthest away from the sun) still figuring out c

Vocaloid:

(this part has always confused me about orbits, but the potential energy is highest where the satellite is closest to the central body, then decreases as it moves farther away, then increases again, so your graph should be a parabola/U-shape I believe)

zarkam21:

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Vocaloid:

I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at here

zarkam21:

OH the two dots

zarkam21:

i labeled them just wanted to make sure the direction is right

zarkam21:

like where i placed them

Vocaloid:

if you're labelling the closest/farthest points away on the orbit it should be at the two ends like this|dw:1519094659186:dw|

Vocaloid:

[your system is the Earth + sun but the principle is the same]

zarkam21:

so where the two arrows are that's where?

Vocaloid:

|dw:1519094687560:dw|

Vocaloid:

where the moon is not the arrows

zarkam21:

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Vocaloid:

yeah something like that

zarkam21:

OKay now for b

zarkam21:

I mean c

Vocaloid:

for b it's the farthest point from the central body (so the point on the far right)

zarkam21:

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Vocaloid:

make sure you're labelling them as "highest KE" and "lowest acceleration" since that's what they're asking for a + b

Vocaloid:

c should be an upward facing parabola

zarkam21:

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Vocaloid:

sort of like that but a little broader, plus gpe is never negative or 0 so it shouldn't touch the x-axis

Vocaloid:

|dw:1519095152568:dw|

Vocaloid:

[just make it a bit more symmetrical than that]

zarkam21:

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Vocaloid:

better but it could be more symmetrical

zarkam21:

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Vocaloid:

eh, could be a bit more even on both sides but let's move on

zarkam21:

Okay sure

Vocaloid:

actually @sillybilly123 would the potential energy during an orbit just be a parabola or is it more complex than that

Vocaloid:

we can move on in the meantime

zarkam21:

okay sure that is it for this question right

Vocaloid:

yeah pretty much

sillybilly123:

given \(T + U = \text{const.}\), ie we can call it a closed frictionless system, the energy equation should be: \(\dfrac{1}{2} m v^2 - \dfrac{\mu m}{r} = \text{const.} \) where r is distance between star (at ellipse focus) and planet, \(\mu = GM\) and v is planet speed relative to star \(T \propto \frac{1}{r}\), most T means smallest r, ie when they are closest. ( "closest" isn't necessarily right at the perigee but is pretty close from what i can calculate) the gravitational force is always inward toward star, and \(F = m a = - \nabla U = \dfrac{\mu m}{r^2}\) ie \(a \propto \frac{1}{r}\), so that too should be greatest for small r, ie when closest. hence the slingshot effect graphing: the energy has to be negative, and one could guess it looks something like this just by smoothing out between 3 points: |dw:1519124596519:dw| behind that question is a load of great original math from superstars like Kepler, Newton...

sillybilly123:

so "lowest" acceleration when furthest away....must learn to read and graphs look pretty similar except for axis which is that slightly nebulous -ve energy point :(

sillybilly123:

for Sun-Earth https://www.desmos.com/calculator/cbq3i2bzsx

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