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satellite73:

\[y'=y(xy^3-1)\]

satellite73:

first some trivial algebra \[y'=xy^4-y\\ y'+y=xy^4\]

satellite73:

now \(n=?\)

Vrefela:

-3

satellite73:

lol, that is the answer to the second question

satellite73:

the first question was \(n=?\) you say "4" the second question was \(1-n=?\) you say \(-3\)

Vrefela:

Lol I understood

satellite73:

\[y'+y=xy^4\] becomes \[u'-3u=-3x\]

Vrefela:

Just substituting y = u?

satellite73:

we can go through all the boring steps if you like but remember i said i wanted to go right from here \[y'+p(x)y=g(x)y^n\] to \[u'+(1-n)p(x)u=(1-n)g(x)\]

Vrefela:

Yes

satellite73:

since n was 4, 1-n was -3 i went right to it

satellite73:

we can take all the boring steps, but it seems pointless if it works in general it has to work for a specific example

Vrefela:

Pleaseeee

satellite73:

ok but of course we are not done, we have to still solve the equation right?

Vrefela:

Yes

satellite73:

\[u'-3u=-3x\] integrating factor is \(e^{-3}\)

satellite73:

you get \[e^{-3x}u'-3ue^{-3x}=-3xe^{-3x}\]

Vrefela:

Where did you get the integrating factor?

satellite73:

i made a mistake

satellite73:

\[p(x)=-3\\ \int -3dx=-3x\\ e^{-3x}\]

satellite73:

this was right though\[e^{-3x}u'-3ue^{-3x}=-3xe^{-3x}\]

Vrefela:

Wait

Vrefela:

Where is the work for u ^-3 = y

satellite73:

grrr

Vrefela:

Pleaseeeee

satellite73:

ok dammit

satellite73:

\[y'+y=xy^4\]divide by \(y^4\) get \[y^{-4}y'+y^{-3}=x\]

satellite73:

put \(u=y^{-3}\) so \(u'=-3y^{-4}\) or \(-\frac{1}{3}u'=y^{-4}\)

Vrefela:

Ok

satellite73:

get \[-\frac{1}{3}u'+u=x\] or \[u'-3u=-3x\]

Vrefela:

Cool

satellite73:

\[y'+y=xy^4\] becomes \[u'-3u=-3x\]

Vrefela:

Wait

satellite73:

there is one tiny sophistication but it works \[\frac{dy}{dx}\] is what you are given it is the same as \[\frac{du}{dy}\frac{du}{dx}\] i skipped wring that

Vrefela:

Dumb question but if u' = -3y^-4 and -1/3u'=y^-4

satellite73:

oops\[\frac{du}{dy}\frac{dy}{dx}\]

Vrefela:

why would it be u'

satellite73:

that is the part i skipped lets do it slowly

Vrefela:

Sorry

satellite73:

\[y^{-4}y'+y^{-3}=x\] which we better write as \[y^{-4}\frac{dy}{dx}+y^{-3}=x\]

satellite73:

\[u=y^{-3}\\ \frac{du}{dy}=-3y^{-4}\\ -\frac{1}{3}\frac{du}{dy}=y^{-4}\]

satellite73:

\[\huge \color{red}{y^{-4}}\frac{dy}{dx}+y^{-3}=x\] \[\huge \color{red}{-\frac{1}{3}\frac{du}{dy}}\frac{dy}{dx}+u=x\]

satellite73:

so \[-\frac{1}{3}\frac{du}{dx}+u=x\\ \frac{du}{dx}-3u=-3x\]

satellite73:

i guess i can't convince you you don't need these steps

Vrefela:

Ok I get it

satellite73:

we still did not solve 17, just went from \[y'+y=xy^4\] to \[u'-3u=-3x\] in too many steps

Vrefela:

I'm sorry!

satellite73:

i am just trying to convince you that it is easy it is good to understand why it works though, so a worked out example is fine but it is real real simple to change the form

Vrefela:

Let's do the next one in a shortcut. I just have to see the long way first you know that.

satellite73:

\[y'+p(x)y=f(x)y^n\\ u'+(1-n)p(x)u=(1-n)g(x)\]

satellite73:

\[u'-3u=-3x\] you can do need integration by parts

satellite73:

\[e^{-3x}u'-3ue^{-3x}=-3xe^{-3x}\] then\[ \frac{d}{dx}[ue^{-3x}]=-3xe^{-3x}\] then \[ue^{-3x}=\int -3xe^{-3x}dx\]

satellite73:

cheat to do the integration

Vrefela:

I love cheating

satellite73:

\[ue^{-3x}=xe^{-3x}+e^{-3x}+c\]

satellite73:

nope

satellite73:

\[ue^{-3x}=xe^{-3x}+\frac{1}{3}e^{-3x}+c\]

satellite73:

multiply by \(e^{3x}\) so solve for \(u\) get \

Vrefela:

What's the gimmick?

satellite73:

to integrate? parts

satellite73:

\[ue^{-3x}=xe^{-3x}+\frac{1}{3}e^{-3x}+c\] \

satellite73:

dammit

satellite73:

latex isn't working again

satellite73:

\

Vrefela:

Oh my.

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