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zarkam21:

Chain Rule

zarkam21:

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zarkam21:

Is this the chain rule one

Vocaloid:

yes but pay attention to what the question is actually asking a, b, and c do not require the chain rule as they are not compositions of functions

Vocaloid:

a, b, and c are just straightforward derivatives of f, g, and h separately for d) you will apply the chain rule to f(h(x)) and for e) you will apply the chain rule to f(g(x))

zarkam21:

derivative of f(x) woild be 2x?

zarkam21:

because 1 is constant so 0

Vocaloid:

no, the square root makes a big difference here f(x) = (x^2+1)^(1/2) f'(x) = (1/2)(x^2+1)^(-1/2)*(2x)

zarkam21:

wait where's the hLF?

zarkam21:

isn't it just sqrt x^2+1

Vocaloid:

sqrt (x^2+1) = (x^2+1)^(1/2)

Vocaloid:

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Vocaloid:

my reasoning for re-writing sqrt (x^2+1) as (x^2+1)^(1/2) makes it easier to take the derivative using the power rule

zarkam21:

GOt it

zarkam21:

the derivative for sin 3x would be 3xsin?

zarkam21:

(3x) sin ^2

Vocaloid:

have to apply chain rule for sin(A), change sin to cos, then multiply by the derivative of A so derivative of sin(x^3) --> cos(x^3) * the derivative of x^3

zarkam21:

oh okay so the dr of sin x^3 is cos x^3

Vocaloid:

"cos(x^3) * the derivative of x^3" so not just cos(x^3), cos(x^3) * 3x^2

zarkam21:

oh oksy

Vocaloid:

depending on what you've covered in class you may want to add at least the first three to your cheat sheet |dw:1541129803699:dw|

zarkam21:

okay and when i find the derivaitver its like the = whatever * derivative of x as the answer right

Vocaloid:

* derivative of what's inside the trig function, yes

Vocaloid:

so like, d/dx sin(A) = cos(A) * A'

Vocaloid:

it won't always be x, gotta apply to what you are given

zarkam21:

right

zarkam21:

can we just do maybe one or two more examples of the chain rule, not 100% on it yet :S

Vocaloid:

have you tried the other problems on your WS?

zarkam21:

OH forgot about those okay so for d :

zarkam21:

f(h(x)) = it would jutbe (1/2)(x^2+1)^-1/2 (2x)

Vocaloid:

f(h(x)) derivative ---> f'(h(x)) * h'(x)

zarkam21:

it would just be one inside the other right

Vocaloid:

f'(x) = (1/2)(x^2+1)^(-1/2)*(2x) as we calculated from step a) f'(h(x)) is therefore (1/2)([e^(-x^2/2)]^2+1)^(-1/2)*(2[e^(-x^2/2)]^2) then you will have to multiply this whole expression by the derivative of h(x)

zarkam21:

UGh not understanding how you got the equation f'(h(x))

Vocaloid:

|dw:1541130865216:dw| it's part of the definition of the chain rule

zarkam21:

Still here just writing notes

zarkam21:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Vocaloid f'(x) = (1/2)(x^2+1)^(-1/2)*(2x) as we calculated from step a) f'(h(x)) is therefore (1/2)([e^(-x^2/2)]^2+1)^(-1/2)*(2[e^(-x^2/2)]^2) then you will have to multiply this whole expression by the derivative of h(x) \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\)

zarkam21:

SO this is the definition of chain rule

Vocaloid:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Vocaloid f(h(x)) derivative ---> f'(h(x)) * h'(x) \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) this is the chain rule

Vocaloid:

the next post is just me going through the steps to calculate exactly what f'(h(x)) * h'(x) is

zarkam21:

Okay can we do e

zarkam21:

It would be

zarkam21:

f'(g(x)) * g'(x) f'(g(x)) * g'(x) is (1/2)(x^2+1)^-1/2(2x) * (sin(x^3) * (cos x ^3*3x^2)

Vocaloid:

almost "f'(g(x)) " so you have to plug g(x) into x for the derivative of f(x)

Vocaloid:

f'(x) = (1/2)(x^2+1)^-1/2(2x) so f'(g(x)) = (1/2)(g(x)^2+1)^(-1/2)(2*g(x))) then replace "g(x)" with the sin(x^3) since that's what g(x) is

Vocaloid:

then all of that * (cos x ^3*3x^2)

zarkam21:

so f'g(x)) would be f prime along with g of x

Vocaloid:

f'(g(x)) means take the derivative of f(x), then replace all the x's with g(x)

zarkam21:

okay next is implicit differentiation

Vocaloid:

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Vocaloid:

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zarkam21:

Can we try another example I am not getting the pictutre :S

Vocaloid:

you just take the derivative of both sides w.r.t x as normal if you have a mixed term like xy, you just apply the product rule to get x'y + y'x since you're solving for dy/dx (in other words, y') simplify everything except y' and then at the end, solve for y'

zarkam21:

intermeidate value theornm

zarkam21:

Ughim falling aaslpee

Vocaloid:

if a function is continuous between a and b such that f(a) < N < f(b) then there must be some value c in between a and b such that f(c) = N

Vocaloid:

another way to think about it: if the function is continuous then it must hit every possible value between f(a) and f(b)

zarkam21:

example ?

Vocaloid:

let's say f(x) is continuous between [1,2] f(1) = 1 f(2) = 2 we know there must be some x-value such that f(x) = 1.5 since 1.5 is between the two function values

Vocaloid:

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Vocaloid:

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zarkam21:

oh thats all its just picking a value in between? and showing it

Vocaloid:

yes, the IVT lets us prove that a certain x-value exists for a desired y-value

zarkam21:

could htis be possible with 1.3

zarkam21:

or maybe even 1.7

zarkam21:

and the value we come up with is y?

zarkam21:

what would be the x

Vocaloid:

yes, 1.3 and 1.7 are both within the bounds the IVT doesn't let us solve for x, it just lets us know that there's an x-value that exists for that y-value

zarkam21:

okay next is mean value theorem

zarkam21:

can open a new post? if you want

Vocaloid:

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Vocaloid:

tbh i don't know how to use this practically, i just know that this exists

zarkam21:

Thats okay I'll study that one myself

zarkam21:

Linear and Quadratic Approx

zarkam21:

I have a handout for these

zarkam21:

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Vocaloid:

yeah you've pretty much got it

zarkam21:

Copied these from what my professor wrote :x

zarkam21:

Idk what I'm doing

Vocaloid:

just stick the formulas for linear and quadratic formulas on your cheat sheet

zarkam21:

:(

Vocaloid:

linear approximation y = f(a) + f'(a) * (x-a) at f(x) for x = a applying this logic to f(x) = ln(x) at x = 1 y = ln(1) + ln'(1) * (x-1)

Vocaloid:

slides 3-4 have the definitions you need http://www.math.tamu.edu/~shatalov/MATH%20151%20Project.pdf

zarkam21:

OKay what about critical and inflection points?

Vocaloid:

critical points = points where the derivative is 0 inflection points = points where the second derivative is 0

zarkam21:

Continuity?

Vocaloid:

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Vocaloid:

there's a lot to know for this tbh

Vocaloid:

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Vocaloid:

big thing: if a function is known to be differentiable on some interval it must be continuous but if a function is known to be continuous that doesn't necessarily mean its differentiable

Vocaloid:

ex: f(x) = |x| is continuous but not differentiable at x = 0

zarkam21:

and differentiable is just that a point exists right

Vocaloid:

differentiable = the derivative exists

zarkam21:

okay and last thing ,, graphing funcation at f' and f''

Vocaloid:

any examples?

zarkam21:

yes one sec

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Vocaloid:

like, if they give you a graph f(x) and ask you to graph f'(x) you would graph the derivative |dw:1541135867652:dw|

Vocaloid:

oh well you have x(x^2-48) to find the critical points, find where the derivative is 0 and to find the inflection points find where the second derivative is 0

Vocaloid:

f'(x) = 3x^2 - 48 = 0 so the critical points are x = -4 and x = 4

Vocaloid:

for the intervals where f'(x) is +, -, or 0, we have to set up the number line: |dw:1541136044503:dw|

Vocaloid:

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Vocaloid:

that tells you the function is increasing from -infinity to -4 decreasing from -4 to 4 increasing from 4 to infinity

Vocaloid:

same logic with the second derivative but instead of telling you where the function is increasing/decreasing, it tells you where the function is concave up or down

zarkam21:

Got it

Vocaloid:

|dw:1541136214437:dw| then once you have all the pieces, just put them together to make a function

zarkam21:

IIs that all?

Vocaloid:

yeah

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