LAST JUAN! Carl can paint a room 3 hours faster than Jennifer can. If they work together, they can complete the job in 2 hours. Using complete sentences, explain each step in figuring out how to determine the time it would take Jennifer to complete this job on her own.
@Hero e.e
Use the formula
I know you have the formula. I gave it to you. So at least write that out first.
ok hold on
\[t=\frac{ CJ }{ C+J }\]
Okay wait.
e.e
This is a bit more involved than you think. The only given value is \(t\)
It says Carl can paint a room 3 hours faster than Jennifer can. So we don't have any given values for \(C\) or \(J\)
ok
However we can create a statement based on this: "Carl can paint a room 3 hours faster than Jennifer".
It translates to \(C = J + 3\)
ok
In other words we insert \(J + 3\) in place of \(C\) in the formula
so \[\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ ?}\]
like this?
You're on the right track. Finish it. Make sure you set it equal to \(t\) for consistency.
e.e hold on i just got lost
how am i finishing this?
How did you get lost. You were replacing \(C\) with the expression in the formula
yes ok so C= J+3 now what this is where i got lost
You did the numerator correctly. All you have to do it do the denominator.
\[\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ (J+3)+(J)}\]
like this??
Exactly but set that equal to \(t\)
\[t=\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ (J+3)+(J)}\]
Precisely
so now what
Now insert the given value for \(t\)
Do you know what it is? Do you remember what \(t\) represents? Go back to the previous question if you don't remember.
t represents time it takes to finish there objective
Is that amount given in the problem?
ummmmmmmm idk let me check the problem
tbh idk and i dont think it is
Go to the previous problem and find out what \(t\) represents
i just said t represents the time it takes to finish there objective as in painting
And what is the equivalent of that here? What's another word for "finish" in the problem?
complete e.e
Bingo. So do you have it now? What is the value of \(t\)?
ummmmmm not really so the value of t is c?
Read the problem to yourself once more. I'm not going to give this to you since it is so obvious.
oh wait so t=2
Correct
ok but what does that have to do with the time it takes Jennifer to do it her own
We will solve for \(J\). If you notice, the equation is all in terms of \(J\) now.
\[2=\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ (J+3)+(J) }\]
So it looks like this????
Yes, but the next step is to add the J's in the denominator.
ok......
would it be 2J+3????
Correct
so it would look like \[2=\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ 2J+3 }\]
@Hero what next
Multiply both sides by the denominator
ok so after doing that would it equal 2J+3 = J(J+3)
Distribute \(J(J + 3)\)
it would equal \[J^2+3J\]
i think atleast
Yes that is correct but remember, for consistency include what is on the other side of the equal sign.
Because the next step is to subtract \(2J\) from both sides
wait so \[2=\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ J^2+3J }\] this is what it is
now we subtract 2j from both sides?
You're going backwards. You already multiplied both sides by the denominator? Remember?
Do you not remember being at this step: \(2J+3 = J(J+3)\) We're not dealing with a fraction anymore
The next step was to distribute the expression on the RHS
ohhhhhhhhhh ok thats where i got lost i thought we where still doing that
Do you know where we are now?
If so, please post it
all i can think of is it would equal 4J+6 but i think i could be wrong
We were here: \(2J+3 = J(J+3)\) The next step was to distribute \(J(J + 3)\)
It's not a good idea to watch Hanna Montana at the same time you're doing math btw
e.e what
Nevermind
I'm just saying it is best not to be distracted while doing this
anyway i already did distribute it e.e
i got \[J^2+3J\]
Okay if you did, you should post that step here. Post the ENTIRE equation not just one side of it.
Look at my previous step if you need help.
wait what your previous step wait hold on either your going to fast or im getting lost again let me read for a second
\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Hero We were here: \(2J+3 = J(J+3)\) The next step was to distribute \(J(J + 3)\) \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\)
I ALREADY DISTRIBUTED IT LIKE 3 TIMES e.e
Yes, but show both sides of the equation
Both sides of the equation?
Showing both sides is confirmation you know what's going on
YES
ok hold on
i officially got nothing i have no idea what to do
We began with this \[t=\frac{ CJ }{ C+J }\] Then you figured out the expression for \(C\): \[t=\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ (J+3)+(J)}\] Next you figured out the value of \(t\): \[2=\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ 2J+3 }\] Then you multiplied both sides by the denominator to get: \(2(2J + 3) = J(J + 3)\)
Notice the whole time we're dealing with expressions on both sides of the equal sign.
yes
Do you want me to also hightlight them in colors? At each step, you perform a step while showing both sides of the equal time.
equal sign*
I don't know how you got confused when we were going step by step. You seemed to be following.
i am following the best i can but its not easy for me to understand this
We began with this \[t=\frac{ CJ }{ C+J }\] Then you figured out the expression for \(C\): \[t=\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ (J+3)+(J)}\] Next you figured out the value of \(t\): \[2=\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ 2J+3 }\] Then you multiplied both sides by the denominator to get: \(2(2J + 3) = J(J + 3)\) Then we distributed and it equaled \[J^2+ 3J\]
this is where i am
Right, so all you had to do is post the other side of the equation: \(2(2J + 3) = J^2 + 3J\) I don't think it was difficult for you to realize what I was asking you to do. Post both sides of the equal sign at every step.
thats not what i thought you ment at all tbh sorry i thought you ment something different
Now you have to distribute the expression other side of the equation: \(2(2J + 3)\)
We began with this \[t=\frac{ CJ }{ C+J }\] Then you figured out the expression for \(C\): \[t=\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ (J+3)+(J)}\] Next you figured out the value of \(t\): \[2=\frac{ (J+3)(J) }{ 2J+3 }\] Then you multiplied both sides by the denominator to get: \(2(2J + 3) = J(J + 3)\) Then we distributed and it equaled \[J^2+3J\] Now we have \[2(2J+3)=J^2+3J\] we must distribute again but this time on the other side \[2(2J+3)=4J+6\]
like this?
Except you've now eliminated the other side of the equation that contains the \(J^2\)
\(4J + 6\) is correct though but that is only one side of the equation
You must include the other side of the original equation in the next step
It should be \(4J + 6 = J^2 + 3J\)
I've never seen anyone get confused on this particular thing before.
Im sorry Hero i know im hard to work with ive been told that my whole life im horrible with math it just never soaks in
anyway now lets move on
so we now have the equation as \(4J + 6 = J^2 + 3J\)
Yes, the next step is to subtract \(4J\) from both sides
ok and that would equal \[J^2-J-6=0\] then we must solve using the quadratic formula which would give us the finishing numbers of J=3, J=-2?
Looks good to me
But of course you dis-regard the negative number
As there is no such thing as negative hours
so would the answer be Jennifer takes 3/2 hours to pain the room by her self
smh
There's only one answer
ik i just realized what i did hold on
Or rather, there is only one value of J
You have one positive value and one negative value. The negative value is dis-regarded because it makes no sense in terms of what the value of J represents.
so do we put it as 3,2 or 3/2 or 2/3 as our answer
@AnimeGhoul8863 there are two values of J. One of them we discard because the value is negative
I don't know how many times I have to say it before you "realize"
T~T i dont purposely not understand it geez sorry so the answer is 3 got it thanks for your help
Yes J = 3
thank you for the help i think i understand it more than i did to begin with
Glad to hear it.
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