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Kabbed:

help please

Kabbed:

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Shadow:

Hello @Kabbed What is your question? What do you need help with?

Kabbed:

Factor 7 out of 7y Move the negative one from the denominator of y/-1

Shadow:

That screenshot is a list of a lot of different things.

Kabbed:

how does that happen a -1 appears out of no where

Shadow:

I see what you mean. This is all quite confusing. Do you have the original expression that you were required to factor

Kabbed:

it goes from - 7(y)/-7 to y/-1 how

Kabbed:

the question is x + 3y = 8 2x - y = 2

Kabbed:

solve by substitution

Shadow:

\[- \frac{ 7y }{ -7 } \rightarrow \frac{ y }{ -1 }\] hmm

Shadow:

This looks like an error to me. Any thoughts @dude

dude:

Uh from what I get here 1. This is from an online calculator smh 2. This seems to be 2 equations x=8-3y and -7y=-14 The calculator *cough* just isolated y, there is just a lot of explanation

Shadow:

As for solving by substitution, I'd do: \[x + 3y = 8 \] \[2x - y = 2 \] Taking the first equation, solve for x \[x = -3y + 8\] Input this into the second equation \[2(-3y +8) - y = 2\] \[-6y + 16 -y = 2\] \[-7y + 16 = 2\] \[-7y = -14\] \[\frac{ -7y }{ -7 } = \frac{ -14 }{ -7}\] \[y = 2\]

Shadow:

From here you'd just input y = 2 into the first equation then solve for x and you're good.

Shadow:

Does that make sense @Kabbed ?

Shadow:

Ah you're right dude, this is an online calculator, lol

Kabbed:

but how do I get x = 2

Shadow:

Input y = 2 into the equation we derived earlier. \[x = -3y + 8\] \[x = -3(2) + 8 \rightarrow x = -6 + 8 \rightarrow x = 2\]

Kabbed:

how do you solve -7y/-7 = -14/-7

Shadow:

That step is just dividing both -7y and -14 by -7, since -7 is a common factor to both -7y = -7 times y -14 = -7 times 2

Shadow:

Division is the inverse operation of multiplication, thus by dividing by this common factor, we get both y and 2 subsequently.

Shadow:

Does that make sense?

Kabbed:

no sorry so I just divide -7y by -7 how do I do that what do I get

Shadow:

You get y

Kabbed:

how

Shadow:

Any number divided by itself is 1.

Kabbed:

oh thanks

Shadow:

-7 divided by -7 = 1 1 times y = y

Kabbed:

and what about -14 divided by -7

Shadow:

What about it? You'd just divide.

Kabbed:

I get 2

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y/2

Kabbed:

y/2 turns into y = 2 somehow

Kabbed:

2x - y = 2 so were solving for this equation and then we solve for x = -3y+8

Shadow:

\[\frac{ -7y }{ -7} = \frac{ -14 }{ -7 } \rightarrow y = 2\]

Shadow:

You don't get y/2 anywhere

Kabbed:

ok

Kabbed:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Shadow As for solving by substitution, I'd do: \[x + 3y = 8 \] \[2x - y = 2 \] Taking the first equation, solve for x \[x = -3y + 8\] what do you do here should I say subtract 3y something

Shadow:

You're isolating x...

Kabbed:

is there another way I could call it something more simpler

Shadow:

Well that's exactly what you're doing so no

Kabbed:

'Isolate x for the first equation"

Kabbed:

how does 3y become -3y

Shadow:

Because you subtract 3y from both sides

Shadow:

I'm sorry but this is basic algebra. What class are you in and are you unfamiliar with all of these concepts, or does this lesson/hw ask for a step by step explanation of how to solve this?

Kabbed:

As for solving by substitution, I'd do: \[x + 3y = 8 \] \[2x - y = 2 \] Subtract 3y from both sides \[x = -3y + 8\] 2(−3y+8)−y=2 \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\)

Kabbed:

step by step explanation

Shadow:

Well I've already shown you that with my post earlier. I have to go, so simply refer to that.

Shadow:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Shadow As for solving by substitution, I'd do: \[x + 3y = 8 \] \[2x - y = 2 \] Taking the first equation, solve for x \[x = -3y + 8\] Input this into the second equation \[2(-3y +8) - y = 2\] \[-6y + 16 -y = 2\] \[-7y + 16 = 2\] \[-7y = -14\] \[\frac{ -7y }{ -7 } = \frac{ -14 }{ -7}\] \[y = 2\] \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\)

Kabbed:

-7y + 16 = 2 -7y = -14 how did that happen @shadow

Kabbed:

@Aureo @umm help what did shadow do -7y + 16 = 2 -7y = -14 how did he do that

Kabbed:

@Shadow @dude help me what did you do -7y + 16 = 2 -7y = -14 how did you get -14

Kabbed:

dude help me

dude:

-7y + 16 = 2 You want to isolate y What is the opposite of adding 16?

Kabbed:

subtracting

dude:

Right Subtract 16 on both sides -7y + 16 = 2 - 16 -16


Kabbed:

0 and -14

dude:

Yeah 0 we can just ignore and we dont have to write -7y=-14

Kabbed:

so the first step is too subtract 16 on both sides because the y is still in the same place not isolated

Kabbed:

dude don't go yet lol

Kabbed:

@dude

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the first step is too subtract 16 by both sides because y stays in the same place

Kabbed:

if my teacher asks why am I subtracting both sides by 16 I could say "We are subtracting both sides by 16 to isolate y"

Kabbed:

does that sound good ^

dude:

Yes

Kabbed:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @Kabbed I solved by substitution To solve \[x + 3y = 8 \] \[2x - y = 2 \] first we must Isolate X and then we get \[x = -3y + 8\] now we Substitute x for -3y + 8 on the second equation and then simply \[2(-3y +8) - y = 2\] \[-6y + 16 -y = 2\] \[-7y + 16 = 2\] Subtract both sides by 16 \[-7y = -14\] Divide -7y and -14 by -7 \[\frac{ -7y }{ -7 } = \frac{ -14 }{ -7}\] \[y = 2\]

Kabbed:

@dude @Shadow does what I wrote above look good and also why did we isolate x and also so were actually solving the second equation first why

Kabbed:

but how does 3y become negative if we are subtracting 3y from both sides then why is it still plus @Eiwoh2 @Elsa213

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