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nettym:

Do you believe our economy benefits from exploiting illegal immigrants? Identify whether America would be more positively or negatively impacted if immigration abruptly came to an end.

luhivqqcherry:

Positive Impact of Ending Immigration: If immigration abruptly came to an end, the immediate positive impact on certain sectors of the American economy might seem undeniable. Limiting the influx of undocumented workers would create a shortage of labor in industries heavily reliant on cheap and abundant workforce. This could potentially drive wages up for native workers in these sectors, as employers would have to compete for a limited pool of labor. Moreover, reducing illegal immigration could alleviate the strain on public resources such as healthcare and education infrastructure. Critics often argue that this would lead to overall benefits for the American economy. Negative Impact of Ending Immigration: While curtailing illegal immigration might seem advantageous on the surface, the long-term implications must be considered. Abruptly ending immigration could result in a significant labor shortage in various industries, leading to decreased productivity and stifled economic growth. Additionally, certain jobs that are solely dependent on immigrant workers may become obsolete, which could impact key sectors and subsequently hinder economic stability. Furthermore, ending immigration abruptly would also have indirect consequences within the broader economy. Many small businesses, particularly in hospitality and agriculture, may struggle to find adequate labor and could potentially face closure. These businesses are vital contributors to local economies, job creation, and tax revenue.

Ferrari:

At first glance, it may seem as though allowing illegal immigrants to work in the U.S. would provide a boost to the economy. After all, these workers would be paying taxes and helping to fill a labor shortage. However, there are also serious drawbacks to allowing illegal immigration.

luhivqqcherry:

the exploitation of illegal immigrants is ethically unacceptable, it cannot be denied that it provides an economic advantage to businesses in certain sectors of the American economy. However, abruptly ending immigration would have significant and potentially negative consequences on the country's overall economic stability. Rather than focusing on exploiting workers, it is crucial to evaluate comprehensive immigration policies that safeguard human rights while addressing labor market needs.

Ferrari:

There is evidence that employers take advantage of illegal immigrants by paying them less than minimum wage and providing unsafe working conditions, which can lead to a decrease in wages for all workers. Additionally, illegal immigrants are often harrassed in other ways, such as being denied access to healthcare or facing discrimination from employers.

Ferrari:

oops i meant harassed not harrassed

luhivqqcherry:

Exploitation of any group, including illegal immigrants, is inherently unethical and warrants both societal and legal scrutiny. However, the supposed economic benefits derived from such exploitation should not be overlooked. Illegal immigrants often fill low-skilled and low-wage jobs that many Americans are reluctant to take. Sectors such as agriculture, construction, and hospitality rely heavily on undocumented labor to sustain their operations. Consequently, exploiting illegal immigrants through lower wages and inadequate working conditions can reduce labor costs and contribute to profitability for businesses. This economic advantage is where proponents argue that the economy benefits from exploiting illegal immigrants.

Ferrari:

@luhivqqcherry wrote:
Exploitation of any group, including illegal immigrants, is inherently unethical and warrants both societal and legal scrutiny. However, the supposed economic benefits derived from such exploitation should not be overlooked. Illegal immigrants often fill low-skilled and low-wage jobs that many Americans are reluctant to take. Sectors such as agriculture, construction, and hospitality rely heavily on undocumented labor to sustain their operations. Consequently, exploiting illegal immigrants through lower wages and inadequate working conditions can reduce labor costs and contribute to profitability for businesses. This economic advantage is where proponents argue that the economy benefits from exploiting illegal immigrants.
Man AI is really good these days

Ferrari:

but I didn't use AI :'(

luhivqqcherry:

SORRY

velmalovesshaggy145:

oop

luhivqqcherry:

AND ONLY THE LAST PARAGRAPH WAS AI

Ferrari:

Hm ok

Echofire:

@luhivqqcherry wrote:
Positive Impact of Ending Immigration: If immigration abruptly came to an end, the immediate positive impact on certain sectors of the American economy might seem undeniable. Limiting the influx of undocumented workers would create a shortage of labor in industries heavily reliant on cheap and abundant workforce. This could potentially drive wages up for native workers in these sectors, as employers would have to compete for a limited pool of labor. Moreover, reducing illegal immigration could alleviate the strain on public resources such as healthcare and education infrastructure. Critics often argue that this would lead to overall benefits for the American economy. Negative Impact of Ending Immigration: While curtailing illegal immigration might seem advantageous on the surface, the long-term implications must be considered. Abruptly ending immigration could result in a significant labor shortage in various industries, leading to decreased productivity and stifled economic growth. Additionally, certain jobs that are solely dependent on immigrant workers may become obsolete, which could impact key sectors and subsequently hinder economic stability. Furthermore, ending immigration abruptly would also have indirect consequences within the broader economy. Many small businesses, particularly in hospitality and agriculture, may struggle to find adequate labor and could potentially face closure. These businesses are vital contributors to local economies, job creation, and tax revenue.
I strongly disagree. Americans are struggling to find work ever since illegal aliens have taken up jobs. Detaining and shipping the illegals out will open up much opportunity for the hard-working Americans and bring about much more stability with a significant decrease in minor and major crimes (shootings, mass illegal voting, r*pe, robbery, etc.), allocate BILLIONS of dollars EVERY YEAR originally spent on them towards the interests of American citizens instead, and foster a more morally stable society and culture. After that is all said and done, American businesses will hire Americans thus bringing unemployment down with competitive wages and competitive quality of work. With illegal aliens, wages were set as low as possible with the quality of work being dubious. If any non-citizen wants to stay or is essential, there are already processes they can go through to become legal citizens and a functioning member of society.

luhivqqcherry:

@echofire wrote:
@luhivqqcherry wrote:
Positive Impact of Ending Immigration: If immigration abruptly came to an end, the immediate positive impact on certain sectors of the American economy might seem undeniable. Limiting the influx of undocumented workers would create a shortage of labor in industries heavily reliant on cheap and abundant workforce. This could potentially drive wages up for native workers in these sectors, as employers would have to compete for a limited pool of labor. Moreover, reducing illegal immigration could alleviate the strain on public resources such as healthcare and education infrastructure. Critics often argue that this would lead to overall benefits for the American economy. Negative Impact of Ending Immigration: While curtailing illegal immigration might seem advantageous on the surface, the long-term implications must be considered. Abruptly ending immigration could result in a significant labor shortage in various industries, leading to decreased productivity and stifled economic growth. Additionally, certain jobs that are solely dependent on immigrant workers may become obsolete, which could impact key sectors and subsequently hinder economic stability. Furthermore, ending immigration abruptly would also have indirect consequences within the broader economy. Many small businesses, particularly in hospitality and agriculture, may struggle to find adequate labor and could potentially face closure. These businesses are vital contributors to local economies, job creation, and tax revenue.
I strongly disagree. Americans are struggling to find work ever since illegal aliens have taken up jobs. Detaining and shipping the illegals out will open up much opportunity for the hard-working Americans and bring about much more stability with a significant decrease in minor and major crimes (shootings, mass illegal voting, r*pe, robbery, etc.), allocate BILLIONS of dollars EVERY YEAR originally spent on them towards the interests of American citizens instead, and foster a more morally stable society and culture. After that is all said and done, American businesses will hire Americans thus bringing unemployment down with competitive wages and competitive quality of work. With illegal aliens, wages were set as low as possible with the quality of work being dubious. If any non-citizen wants to stay or is essential, there are already processes they can go through to become legal citizens and a functioning member of society.
Illigeal aliens ??

luhivqqcherry:

It is essential that all individuals, regardless of their racial origin, can access employment, regardless of the type of employment, and to refer to immigrants as "illegal aliens" is not appropriate and highly disrespectful. Although we may not all be of the same racial origin, this does not mean that we are not human. @echofire

mavi:

I’m assuming your question doesn’t take into account the ethical nature of the exploitation by employers and focuses purely on the economic output and whether or not the economy of America would be impacted for better or for worse. An economy grows when there is an increase in products and services produced in a country. The service industry of America contributes up to 80% to its GDP and the production sector produces upto 20%. Majority of illegals take up employment in the production/manufacturing sector since the service sector relies on skilled workers. Would exploitation of illegal immigrants through suboptimal wages benefit the economic output? Absolutely. This would mean more profits for businesses which in turn means more investments in producing more products and services more efficiently and it also means more taxes paid which means more money is invested in public services which contribute upto 80% to the GDP. Since a labor market of illegals exists, I believe this would encourage more small businesses to open which equal more opportunities for growth which equals more growth long term. So all of this encourages entrepreneurial activity and consumer spending which all contribute to the economy as a whole.

mavi:

To see if stopping immigration (illegal? Legal?) is beneficial or not we have to evaluate the consequences both short and long term. In the short term, an abrupt end would create a void in the low skilled labor market and this would introduce challenges to businesses and industries that heavily rely on them (If automation/AI isn’t an immediate alternative). This would mean productivity is reduced, consumer spending is reduced and there is a general reduction in economic activity which equals decreased economic output which equals fewer small businesses which equals fewer products and services available for purchase which means inflation and a surge in prices which could lead to a recession which could mean an increase in criminal activity and riots and general instability and ultimately a decline in quality of life. In the long term there would be less demand on products and services produced in the economy which would mean prices of goods would be massively lower while wages would be higher. This would have a positive impact on markets such as the housing market and mortgages. Businesses would have to come up with new innovations and tactics to cut costs and increase product output which means competitions between businesses which would ultimately be good for consumers. However, as an economy grows so does its need for a larger labor force otherwise economic output will stagnate and this is where immigration helps to meet the ever-growing demand of an economy. So in short an abrupt end would have a negative impact short and long term.

Echofire:

@luhivqqcherry wrote:
It is essential that all individuals, regardless of their racial origin, can access employment, regardless of the type of employment, and to refer to immigrants as "illegal aliens" is not appropriate and highly disrespectful. Although we may not all be of the same racial origin, this does not mean that we are not human. @echofire
"Illegal aliens" is NOT a pejorative, it is a legal term. It would be essential for them to stay if these people were actually working, properly screened for diseases, interviewed to root out terrorists and criminals, properly documented and tracked, and were on track to becoming legal citizens. Within the past 5 years, hundreds of terrorists were detained at the decrepit southern border. I say "decrepit" because, for years, there are many areas people can walk in due to run-down infrastructure and inadequate border security, and the gangs that traffic men, women, children, drugs, and even military grade weapons through the border from places in South America, Africa, and even Asia. It is very dangerous there, and the American and Mexican governments can no longer downplay the situation, especially with the chaos happening in our world right now.

luhivqqcherry:

so y/all really trying to argue with me about this ?

Echofire:

@mavi wrote:
To see if stopping immigration (illegal? Legal?) is beneficial or not we have to evaluate the consequences both short and long term. In the short term, an abrupt end would create a void in the low skilled labor market and this would introduce challenges to businesses and industries that heavily rely on them (If automation/AI isn’t an immediate alternative). This would mean productivity is reduced, consumer spending is reduced and there is a general reduction in economic activity which equals decreased economic output which equals fewer small businesses which equals fewer products and services available for purchase which means inflation and a surge in prices which could lead to a recession which could mean an increase in criminal activity and riots and general instability and ultimately a decline in quality of life. In the long term there would be less demand on products and services produced in the economy which would mean prices of goods would be massively lower while wages would be higher. This would have a positive impact on markets such as the housing market and mortgages. Businesses would have to come up with new innovations and tactics to cut costs and increase product output which means competitions between businesses which would ultimately be good for consumers. However, as an economy grows so does its need for a larger labor force otherwise economic output will stagnate and this is where immigration helps to meet the ever-growing demand of an economy. So in short an abrupt end would have a negative impact short and long term.
This assumes that there will be a shortage of labor, however, unemployment is rising rapidly meaning that there is a multitude of Americans out of work, As soon as the immigrants leave their jobs, the unemployed and students would have a chance at filling these jobs. There would be a void in the short-term, but only in the short-term.

Echofire:

@luhivqqcherry wrote:
so y/all really trying to argue with me about this ?
Yes.

luhivqqcherry:

If immigration were abruptly halted, America would experience both positive and negative impacts. On one hand, there might be short-term benefits such as reduced competition for jobs among citizens and legal residents. Additionally, public resources could potentially be redirected towards other pressing issues like healthcare or education.

luhivqqcherry:

While it is true that certain sectors benefit from exploiting illegal immigrants economically, it is essential to consider the ethical implications involved in such practices. Rather than abruptly ending immigration altogether, a more comprehensive approach should be adopted that addresses both economic needs and human rights concerns through fair labor practices and comprehensive immigration reform.

Echofire:

I said what I said, no need for AI.

luhivqqcherry:

"ai"

luhivqqcherry:

okay echo

mavi:

@echofire wrote:
@mavi wrote:
To see if stopping immigration (illegal? Legal?) is beneficial or not we have to evaluate the consequences both short and long term. In the short term, an abrupt end would create a void in the low skilled labor market and this would introduce challenges to businesses and industries that heavily rely on them (If automation/AI isn’t an immediate alternative). This would mean productivity is reduced, consumer spending is reduced and there is a general reduction in economic activity which equals decreased economic output which equals fewer small businesses which equals fewer products and services available for purchase which means inflation and a surge in prices which could lead to a recession which could mean an increase in criminal activity and riots and general instability and ultimately a decline in quality of life. In the long term there would be less demand on products and services produced in the economy which would mean prices of goods would be massively lower while wages would be higher. This would have a positive impact on markets such as the housing market and mortgages. Businesses would have to come up with new innovations and tactics to cut costs and increase product output which means competitions between businesses which would ultimately be good for consumers. However, as an economy grows so does its need for a larger labor force otherwise economic output will stagnate and this is where immigration helps to meet the ever-growing demand of an economy. So in short an abrupt end would have a negative impact short and long term.
This assumes that there will be a shortage of labor, however, unemployment is rising rapidly meaning that there is a multitude of Americans out of work, As soon as the immigrants leave their jobs, the unemployed and students would have a chance at filling these jobs. There would be a void in the short-term, but only in the short-term.
= Increased wages and production costs due to inflation = fewer employees hired in contrast to illegals to battle costs = lower rate of production = less products and services produced = lesser economic output still. On a macroeconomic scale tho a short term void until the supply and demand of a labor market align can turn into a downward spiral for sometime.

bubblez:

bro yall are hella racist there is no such thing as an illegal person, we all humans, calm tf down like WHATT..

CrumbCrumbington:

@bubblez wrote:
bro yall are hella racist there is no such thing as an illegal person, we all humans, calm tf down like WHATT..
yuh huh theres illegal people

bubblez:

there's no such thing as an illegal person, and if u believe that ur hella racist

Echofire:

@bubblez wrote:
there's no such thing as an illegal person, and if u believe that ur Oreo hella racist
The people are not illegal themselves. It is just the status of them being an immigrant that is illegal. They broke laws by not coming in a country the legal way DUH.

Stringcheese272:

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toga:

There is a lot of debate and conflicting opinions on whether illegal immigration is beneficial or harmful to the economy. Some argue that undocumented workers contribute to the economy by paying taxes, filling low-skilled jobs that Americans don't want, and providing cheaper goods and services. Others argue that they take jobs away from Americans, drive down wages, and cost taxpayers money by using public services. If immigration abruptly came to an end, it would have both positive and negative impacts on the economy. On the one hand, it could lead to higher wages for American workers in certain industries and decrease the availability of cheap goods and services. On the other hand, it could lead to labor shortages, higher prices for goods and services, and a decrease in economic growth. Overall, it's difficult to predict the exact impact of ending illegal immigration on the economy, as it would depend on a variety of factors, including how it's implemented and what policies are put in place to address the consequences.

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